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2008-11-25 13:38:51

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Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
by on Saturday 01/Nov/2008, @22:53
It's actually very easy to do, just not completely obvious. On the right handside of the panel press the plasma button, suddenly the panel opens up. Now you can do things like resize panel and move icons etc etc. Press the Red Cross when your done.

Bear in mind that KDE 3.5+ has more functionality than KDE4 but took many years to get there. KDE4 is a complete rewrite and you will find that in January with KDE 4.2 a MAJORITY of the things you are missing from KDE 3.5 will emerge. There is a section linked in kubuntu release that lists the HUGE number of things in the pipeline for KDE 4.2

I kind of compare this whole flame war to people upgrading from XP to Vista (not that I like having to use either!). There is a paradigm shift and it takes a while to get used to it.

KDE4 has gotten better and better in just the last 6 months. In 12 months I can't wait to see where it's at. Just think, people who don't like Vista will have to wait 3-4 years for Windows 7 to see any possible changes. We get to see radical change happening every few months!

I like some things better in KDE 3...but to be honest it took a good menu (thanks Suse for Kicker) and a lot of my own tweaking to change it from looking cartoonish and dated to something suited to 2008/2009. KDE4 takes very little of that for me. Also just wait until the Raptor menu is incorporated into 4.2
THAT will knock everything else for dead.

my 2 cents
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Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
by on Sunday 02/Nov/2008, @02:50
"Also just wait until the Raptor menu is incorporated into 4.2. THAT will knock everything else for dead."

With all due respect to the Raptor devs, I really wish people would stop hyping it so much. It spends probably about 90% of the time with little to no development activity, and so far just seems to be Yet Another Menu. Frankly - if people haven't been wowed by the far more complete Lancelot, yet, then they won't be wowed by Raptor.
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Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
by on Sunday 02/Nov/2008, @04:03
IAWTC

3.5 is unique, mature, highly functional and productive, and perhaps most importantly of all it presents useful defaults but is infinitely supple. In other words I've considered kde3.5 the best DE available (out of any option) because it rewards experimenting with it and makes 'play' easy and fun. This puts discovering the perfect DE experience suited to the individuals need and taste more within reach and more practical.

I know it didn't get to be like this overnight and similarly kde4 will take time to mature. In fact this is the only reasonable counterpoint.

everybody expects this. There is one problem, but it has two parts:

1) we aren't being appraised of exactly where kde4 is in this process. Dont rush people onto a development platform. Linus states that "if you want people to test tell them it's a release", but the kernel is already complete and most of these version rev's are including different software. With KDE4 we have libraries and a meager shell. When compared with 3.5 it is shockingly devoid of features.

Ok so you want to keep peoples interest as you rebuild? You've got to offer them a vision of what it _will_ be like eventually.

2) is, very simply, when you offer people your vision and they say 'that sucks, this is why' take their words into account. This is the free software way, isn't it? Maintain a bold forward looking vision, but take practical almost cautious steps toward that goal, always checking with the community and getting feedback. Making the process as open to micro-improvement as possible.

Basically I get the sense that kde4 is trying to be revolutionary instead of evolutionary, and is leapfrogging the concerns and interests of people like me in the process.



So hey these things might already be happening, but I wouldn't know because I stopped paying attention several months ago. However if they are please give them more organization and spotlight so you can beat me over the head with them.

regards,
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  • Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
    by on Sunday 02/Nov/2008, @04:06
    should read:

    Linus states that "if you want people to test tell them it's a release", but the kernel is already complete and most of these version rev's are including different __features__.
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Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
by on Sunday 02/Nov/2008, @12:01
Long before KDE 4.0 I was reading about all this revolution, new wonderful features, better application integration... and at some point, after few disappointing alphas/betas the devs started claiming that "KDE 4.0" is not "KDE 4" - what is it ("KDE 3", "KDE 5", ...) - it wasn't really explained. After the release of the "stable" code we could easily see that, "KDE 4.0" is really "KDE 4 early beta", without most of the 3.5 features. To this date every KDE X.0 release was a really nice improvement to the end user (I clearly remembered using 2.0 beta on my workstation - it was such a nice leap forward, that I didn't want to go back to stable 1.x, despite some occasional crashes!). Oh well - it was supposed to be better in KDE 4.1, which was meant to be aimed at normal user.

KDE 4.1 is out. And what? Just the next disappointment, still most of the 3.5 features missing - very configurable Panel, and more; even the printer configuration is not there! Most of the applications are not ready yet, you have to keep either 3.5 or Gnome libraries in your system to be able to use i.e. some stable, modern DVD burning software. Still no "play" button appearing on the MP3 file icon after moving a mouse cursor over it, still no good Nepomuk support (to remember, that this file was downloaded form that Internet site), Kopete still crashing, etc. It's not about time needed to change the paradigm - it's about a desktop which is not yet ready for a paradigm change and at the same time inconvenient to work in an old way.

And now we are being told to wait for the KDE 4.2... Well, basing on the experiences with 4.0 and 4.1, I am skeptical, you know. I already have one Vista installed on my machine, and I don't really wont to have another one. I will probably eventually switch to KDE 4 (or move to Gnome - the more outdated KDE 3.5 becomes, the more serious this possibility is...), I would just like it to happen because of better usability and new features, not just because KDE 3 is no longer supported and more and more troublesome with new system libraries...
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  • Re: KDE4 as it currently exists has no future.
    by on Sunday 02/Nov/2008, @13:29
    "claiming that "KDE 4.0" is not "KDE 4" - .... it wasn't really explained."

    What you call claiming, is stating of a simple fact. And it has been explained over and over again. KDE 4 are and will be the whole series of releases dubbed KDE 4.x. Obviously KDE 4.0 are not it, it's only the fist bit. It's like saying the first chapter of The Fellowship of the Ring are the The Lord of the Rings.
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